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Thursday, February 12, 2004

 
I like the use of 'anguish' for the romantic view of depression and suicidal
artists that seems so easy and common these days. I like anguish because
clearly creativity and joy can spring from anguish. Clinically it is also
helpful to think in those terms as the easy coupling of depression and
suicide doesn't work - the truly DEPRESSED don't have the energy or
inclination to act. "Agitated depression" is a clinical concept that might
equate to anguish except that 'agitated' connotes fear and trembling without
anticipation.

tom bell
posted by Thomas 9:36 PM


Sunday, February 08, 2004

 
From "ela kotkowska"


"i don't know to what extent we can identify depression with "pre-lyrical
anxiety". | depression seems to be characterized more by the absence of
desire, a feeling of fatigue, disinterest, etc. ....."

Clinically, "depression" is typically seen as the absence of feeling rather
than it being a feeling in itself. It is this absence that medication
treats. There are, of course, many kinds of depression both clinically and
in literature

ela (and others) I would be honored to dialogue with you as part of the
column I've started at http://www.theminimag.com/jan04/health/index.html
posted by Thomas 9:44 PM

 
I like the idea of 'depression' as an aesthetic condition.
To muddy the waters even more I am starting to think of an aesthetic
condition that I call 'verboten' in that in this post modern world some
topics like feelings are verboten according to many editors. That is, if
you write about personal feelings be prepared for rejection? Augie Highland
(editor of MAG http://www.theminimag.com/jan04/health/index.html) and I had
a phone discussion of this awhile back.

tom bell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alison Croggon"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: brain trauma and depression (fwd)/why "anti-modern"?


> I'm puzzled by this too - weren't a lot of modernists famously depressed?
Or
> were they anti-modern modernists? Or are all real modernists happy? Is it
> anti-modern to get depressed in a Corbursier flatlet? Was Celan
anti-modern,
> and Blaise Cendrars, and Ezra Pound, and Virginia Woolf and HD and all
those
> others? Is Barry MacSweeney an anti-modern poet? Is depression an
aesthetic
> condition?
>
> A
>
> On 9/2/04 9:26 AM, "tom bell" wrote:
>
> > I am to some extent aware when I am being 'anti-modern' and I think most
other
> > depressed people are also and this is one distinction from TBI? I
wonder if
> > 'anti-modern' might characterize poetry written by the 'depressed'. On
the
> > other hand much poetry that is 'depressed' about today's society has
reason to
> > be depressed much the same way that someone grieving has 'reason' to be
> > depressed.
>
>
>
> Alison Croggon
>
> Editor, Masthead
> http://www.masthead.net.au
>
> Home page
> http://www.alisoncroggon.com
>
> Blog
> http://alisoncroggon.blogspot.com
posted by Thomas 2:07 PM


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